Letourneau Eyes Key Points on Metro
In a letter to constituents, the Dulles Supervisor explains the issues most important to him on the Silver Line decision and says most who've weighed in are in favor.
Supervisor Matt Letourneau (R-Dulles) sent the following letter to his constituents today to explain his current views on phase two of the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project and whether Loudoun should participate. If a majority of the Loudoun Board of Supervisors decides to opt out of the project, that vote must occur by July 4.
Letourneau's letter:
Over the last few weeks, I have been contacted by many constituents regarding the Board of Supervisors' upcoming vote on Metro. I believe this is one of the most important decisions in the history of the county, and there are very strong views on both sides.
I have always believed that in concept, the Silver Line extension to Loudoun would be a good thing for our county. It will provide a major new option for commuters both to and from Loudoun, and spur a great deal of economic development in the areas around the stations. While there is some debate about exactly how much revenue will be generated by Metro, the official analysis done for the county is conservative in its assumptions and still shows a significant economic benefit to having Metro.
My vote in favor or against this project will be based on three criteria: 1) does the project contain a mandatory union labor preference; 2) is it affordable; 3) are there suitable alternatives should the Board “opt out” of Metro.
Given the magnitude of the decision, I believe that each of these areas deserve considerable discussion. I want to share with you my current thoughts on each of the criteria I have set forth for my evaluation.
1. Mandatory Union Labor Preference: The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) was seeking to impose a preference in its evaluation process for contractors whose bid contained a union project labor agreement—effectively making it mandatory. There were a variety of reasons to be concerned about this, not the least of which was that the Commonwealth of Virginia would have withheld its $150 million commitment to the project. Those funds would have been made up by Toll Road revenue—meaning even higher tolls for Loudoun commuters. As you may have seen, last week the MWAA Board met and voted to abandon this demand. I believe the ultimatum delivered by our Board of Supervisors was the primary factor in that decision, and I’m pleased with the outcome. Had the PLA still been part of the project, there is no question that Loudoun would have opted out.
2. Is the project affordable? This is the most difficult part of the decision to assess, in part because affordability can be a subjective concept. For me, what it really means is “would the Board have to raise taxes significantly to cover the cost of the project, and do we have the ability to take on the debt necessary to finance it?”
Based on what we have learned through hours of discussions, I believe that the answer to the first part of my question is “no.” The Board is considering a number of different financing options including general revenue, special tax districts, and taxes on commercial and industrial properties. In addition, we are evaluating several different bond options.
From a general revenue standpoint, if there were no other sources of revenue, the impact on our tax rate would be about 3.5 cents per $100 assessed; 3.5 cents represents about $98 a year based on the average value of a home in Loudoun. To provide some context, the current tax rate is $1.235/$100. During this year’s budget discussions—the first for the newly elected Board conducted over an abbreviated time period—we were able to reduce the tax rate by 5 cents. A portion of that reduction—1.5 cents—came not from budget reductions but from revenue growth during the year. It is reasonable to assume that next year’s budget will see a similar growth in revenue, meaning that the needed adjustment for Metro could be closer to 2 cents. Should we opt into Metro, we’ll likely see an even greater revenue increase because the value of property around the stations will increase, and new commercial development will begin to occur. Given the fiscally conservative nature of our Board, it is my belief that we can find ways to tighten our belts a little more to absorb that minor impact without having to raise taxes.
I do have concerns with some of the special tax districts that have been discussed—which were prepared for the Board by staff for discussion. Metro cannot and should not be paid for solely by those who happen to live in close proximity to the stations. Metro is a countywide project, with countywide benefits. That said, I am open to proposals that will raise additional revenue from new development around the station, as opposed to existing residential owners. Another idea worthy of consideration is an Eastern Loudoun or countywide transportation service district that would provide a dedicated revenue stream for both rail and road improvements. It is readily apparent that relief is not coming from Richmond anytime soon, but traffic isn’t going to improve on its own. Our Board is doing all it can to get road projects paid for by developers, but there are only so many things we can do. By encompassing a broad area, we could potentially fund both rail and road improvements at a low cost to each property and begin road improvements for residents. This proposal is also still on the table.
Another proposal is a commercial and industrial tax. This tax would apply only to businesses and has the support of the Loudoun County Chamber of Commerce and other business groups. Given our desire to attract businesses, I am reluctant to support a significant tax on businesses. However, Fairfax County imposes an eleven cent tax on businesses, in addition to tax districts to support rail, so Loudoun could have a cost advantage over Fairfax with a commercial and industrial tax at a lower rate. I am still studying how this tax would work and what the impact would be on businesses.
The takeaway from these options, however, is that if we have the will do so, we can pay for rail to Loudoun without having a major impact on our budget and our tax rate. While I believe it makes sense to have a framework in place prior to our vote, it will take longer than that to work out the specifics and implement a plan. That’s why the “worst case” scenario of using only general fund revenue is important. Under that scenario, the impact to the budget—depending on bond terms—would still be minimal.
The final component of affordability is tolls on the Dulles Toll Road. Unfortunately, regardless of what Loudoun County does, tolls are going to increase to what I believe are unacceptable levels. Phase I alone—which ends at Wiehle Avenue—will cause tolls to rise significantly. That’s why I believe that ultimately the Commonwealth of Virginia is going to have to make a larger investment in the Silver Line project to pay down tolls—even if Loudoun opts out. If the Commonwealth does not, traffic will eventually spill over to state roads like Route 7 and Route 50, which simply can’t handle additional volume.
If Loudoun opts out, tolls could be just as bad. MWAA and Fairfax County will seek to build Phase II to Dulles Airport without Loudoun. If they can do it—and it isn’t a sure thing—the primary funding mechanism would be tolls. That’s the only source of revenue MWAA has. Because the project would be delayed at least 18-24 months, need to be redesigned, and be subject to an entirely new Environmental Impact process, the costs will rise significantly and mitigate the savings that would come from not building the rest of the line into Loudoun. In my view, the worst case scenario for Loudoun would be to have tolls be just as high but have no Metro stations. I’ll go into more detail on that in the discussion of my third criteria.
As far as our debt capacity, the answer is yes, we have it. Loudoun enjoys AAA credit ratings across the board as the result of sound financial decisions made over the last several decades. The key to maintaining those credit ratings—which allow for us to receive more favorable terms to finance projects such as schools—is keeping our debt ratios in balance. The Board of Supervisors began reserving room under our debt "cap" for Metro in 2004, a practice which continues to this day. By 2014, Loudoun will have reserved $315 million in our debt capacity for Metrorail, meaning that we could take on the bonds needed to finance the Metro project while still funding our other needs without jeopardizing our credit ratings. Furthermore, the municipal bond markets are more favorable now than they’ve been in decades, with interest rates near record lows.
3. Are there suitable alternatives should the Board “opt out” of Metro? I believe the answer to this question is no. One argument is that the money spent on Metro could go toward road improvements. I’m certainly in favor of road improvements, and as I discussed earlier, the Board is looking for ways to potentially include road improvements in our financing for rail. But ultimately, we cannot control road infrastructure outside of Loudoun County. The goal of Metro is to give commuters options in and out of Loudoun. In the long term, we want to attract workers who live in more urban areas closer to DC to come to Loudoun and work. More immediately, we wish to provide our commuters access to Reston, Tysons, Arlington, and Washington at frequent intervals throughout the day. Loudoun County cannot improve the Dulles Toll Road, I-66, or add a Potomac River crossing—so even if we dedicated our Metro money to road improvements, we can’t do anything about the regional choke points which make it tough to get in and out of Loudoun County.
That’s also the problem with relying exclusively on expanded bus service. I support the existing LC Transit service. Although some have engaged in scare tactics by telling riders that long haul bus service would end if the Board moved forward with Metro, it is not true. The Board will need to decide how much gas tax revenue—which is currently used to subsidize buses—should be dedicated to Metro, and if there are adjustments to routes and frequencies that should be made in order to better compliment Metro. The population of Loudoun is projected to be 450,000 by 2030. Projections from the Washington Airports Task Force conservatively estimate that the total drive time from Dulles to downtown DC in 2030 will be 91 minutes each way. LC Transit buses will be stuck in that traffic with everyone else. As a daily commuter to DC myself, I’m often sitting behind LC Transit buses on I-66. Again, unless the inside of the Beltway road infrastructure is improved significantly, buses have only so much capacity. As commutes worsen—and there’s every indication that they will—buses will become less and less attractive.
Beyond Metro, there aren’t other options. The right-of-ways on the Dulles Toll Road have already been dedicated to Metro—so there is no opportunity to use it for Bus Rapid Transit or light rail. Fairfax County has made its decision, and Loudoun can’t force a different mode of transportation across our borders. Those decisions were made many years ago. In 2002, the Loudoun Board of Supervisors voted 9-0 in favor of bringing Metro to Loudoun and committed to being a funding partner. The decisions made by previous Supervisors and by other jurisdictions have a profound impact on our options in Loudoun.
That also brings up an important point about opting out. There seems to be an assumption made by some that Loudoun commuters would have access to the Dulles Airport station or other stations in Fairfax County. MWAA CEO Jack Potter sent the Board of Supervisors a letter recently indicating that there will be no opportunity for commuters to park at Dulles Airport. Airport parking rates are much higher than what the parking rate would be at Loudoun’s Metro stations, and there is not sufficient capacity. In addition, the station is not designed for significant commuter bus services. Of course, that assumes that rail even gets to Dulles Airport. Any time a major project is delayed 18-24 months, the certainty of it being built lessens. Other factors, such as the Commonwealth of Virginia’s support, could change.
In addition, if Loudoun opts out, Fairfax County would have every incentive to not accommodate Loudoun commuters at its stations. Once again, those stations are not being designed to receive commuter buses from Loudoun. A jurisdiction’s payment into the Metro system is dependent on ridership from that jurisdiction. It is therefore not surprising that the stations are not being designed for Loudoun commuters—why would Fairfax County and the other jurisdictions want to subsidize our riders? Simply put, if Loudoun opts out, there will be very little benefit to our citizens for having the Silver Line at all—whether it ends at Wiehle Avenue or Dulles Airport. It will not be a commuting option for most of our residents.
The Board’s discussions on Metro are still continuing and will likely continue right up until our vote on July 3. The response from the public has been overwhelming. The public input session we had on this topic had about 80 speakers in favor of Metro, with 30 opposed. However, far more significant are the emails we have received, which are now approaching 1,000. The vast majority of those are in favor of Metro as well. I personally knocked on nearly 4,000 doors during my campaign, and this topic came up frequently. Again, the feedback I received was overwhelmingly in favor of Metro—and many people thought (and still do) that it was a done deal to come to Loudoun.
I still welcome any and all input from the public on this topic prior to the Board’s vote, but I think it is pretty clear that the vast majority of Loudoun citizens want the Board of Supervisors to find a way to make Metro work. That’s what I’m committed to doing. I’ve personally met with the U.S. Secretary of Transportation and had discussions with the CEO of MWAA. I’ve asked tough questions of Metro officials, and I’ve pressed for accountability in the project. I’ll continue to do so, especially if we decide to opt in. As your supervisor, I’m committed to protecting the interests of Loudoun and the Dulles District. I'm also committed to making Loudoun County a better place to live and work. I appreciate the engagement of the community on this issue and I look forward to continuing to serve you.
CC Mojo
4:31 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
After reading all the different arguments for and against Metro in Loudoun, I'm happy to see such a strong case for Metro that lays out the reasons why this project is so important, and how it will benefit the region. Thank you, Sup. Letourneau!
Tax Pig
6:48 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
The Supervisor Matt Letourneau Poll says:
"The vast majority of those are in favor of Metro as well."
And how much did you tell those people the Shiny Train would cost?
Ashburn does not like getting STUCK with the cost.
http://www.change.org/petitions/loudoun-county-board-of-supervisors-oppose-the-creation-of-a-special-metrorail-tax-district
CC Mojo
8:21 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
I'm sorry, how many actual signatures do you have? A petition on change.org is easy enough to fake, and you're not exactly known for your, well, forthright practices.
Tax Pig
8:45 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
The other side of Metro
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/06/13/surveillance-pictures-released-in-mob-attack-on-cta-red-line/?fb_ref=.T9itDY9AXrY.like&fb_source=profile_multiline
Tax Pig
9:11 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Diane Greene
8 days ago
Completely against the special tax district. I thought I was pro-metro but it is clear we need more answers before BOS decides on 7/4. What are the additional costs to our residents, who will pay, how long, potential increases, and how this will affect local traffic & roads, further widening of roads between Rt 7 & 50, & east/west crossroads,and how the increased development around the stations will impact the funding to our schools & class size.
CC Mojo
9:34 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
OMG, Metro goes all the way to CHICAGO! That's FABULOUS!
8 days ago, I was riding in a hot air balloon constructed by elves.
Luisa
4:50 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Mr. Letourneau I am proud to be a constituent in your district. THANK YOU for the well written, informative letter, but most importantly, THANK YOU for listening to what the majority of the people in the Dulles district want. YES to metro!!
Tax Pig
6:29 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
DEBT CAPACITY---"As far as our debt capacity, the answer is yes, " Look out Matt and the other Fearsome Foursome have discovered a new tool in the tool box----DEBT CAPACITY----DEBT CAPACITY-----DEBT CAPACITY----DEBT CAPACITY-------
I guess that sounds better than
TAXES----TAXES------ TAXES----TAXES------ TAXES----TAXES------ TAXES----TAXES------
George M
5:03 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Is this project affordable?The answer will always be speculative, but the leaf that the Board of Supervisors seems reluctant to turn over is the future of the access road. Why shouldn't tolls equal to the toll road be imposed on the access road? Those tolls would provide additional revenues and lighten the burden on the Loudoun Commuter. If the access road had tolls, MWAA would be a little more reluctant about mindlessly raising tolls as it would affect their customers.
Also, why should anyone from MD, DC or close in counties be allowed to drive free right next to the rail line built to serve Dulles? Why should Loudoun residents have to pay a toll to go to Washington National? Any agreement to proceed should include tolls on the access road.
Ric James
5:35 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
You're referring to the "inside" lanes of the access road? You can't charge people on that road - it's a federal highway, it doesn't belong to Virginia.
joe brewer
7:12 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Just so we do not forget about the 2 cent gas tax we forfeit if we opt in. Now we are up to 5.5 cents.
Tax Pig
6:35 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
FACT___BUSES WILL GO____
http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-on-foot/2012/06/here-s-the-28-metro-stations-with-anti-sexual-harassment-psas-15774.html
I really they could be doing more than telling people we are going to keep the buses even after all the money is spent on Metro.
Man are the daily riders gonna be ticked when they have to give up those high-back seats and get jammed in like sardines. I mean would you want your face that close to a strangers armpit?
Maybe all the young greenshirts like it because it reminds them of a rave.
Buses work so good, now why is it we need to spend all that money on Metro?
Here's the 28 Metro stations with anti-sexual harassment PSAs
http://www.tbd.com/blogs/tbd-on-foot/2012/06/here-s-the-28-metro-stations-with-anti-sexual-harassment-psas-15774.html
J Williams
8:09 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Thank you for the well written letter that clearly explains all the reasons this project needs to go forward Mr. Letourneau, and for keeping the wants of those of us who live in Loudoun in mind!
Tax Pig
6:43 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Big questions are not answered. Matt questions nothing. He fills in his Metro scorecard with pencil and says yes sir, no sir, what should I tell my people sir.
Matt has no clue how to negotiate, just yes sir, no sir.
Matt's Plan: Developers will pay NOTHING taxpayers pay EVERYTHING. Developers will give Matt a big pat on the back. "atta boy Matt, you did such a good job and you write so well"
http://loudounoptout.blogspot.com/2012/06/janet-clarke-questions-that-still-need.html
CC Mojo
10:11 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
When people ride the Metro, the demand for gas decreases, right?
Daniel Davies
9:32 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Except most of the people projected to ride the Silver Line are currently riding the orange line, or taking FFX buses, very few new transit users. Only about 2% of Loudoun County Transit users will change over to Metro, since our buses are faster, more comfortable, and less expensive than Metrorail. The small number of cars taken off the roads will be far exceeded by the 18% of Dulles Toll Road users expected to be forced onto Rt. 7, Rt. 50, and I-66 starting in January.
Victoria Glenn
8:38 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Actually there are surveys that public transportation use is on the rise nationwide. The elevated costs of gas, tolls and the like are resulting in more people turning to public transport than ever, and staying with it because it is cheaper, easier and more environmentally sound. Why should it be any different here?
Chris Lopresti
3:13 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Daniel, the Metro stations fill up. I don't know where you are getting your statistics, but I know plenty of people who currently drive to DC from Loudoun County and are excited about the Metro. Buses are unreliable. I don't know if you've ever taken them, but they're almost always late. I welcome the Metro.
The Baconator
10:43 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Thank you Mr. Letourneau for informing yourself, listening to the public and arriving at the realizing that most of your constituants would like us to find a way to make the Metro phase 2 project a reality. I have a lot of respect for a politician that puts the will of the people he or she represents first in their decision making process. I really look forward to seeing this project move forward.
Tax Pig
6:45 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
"Now it appears that this Board will have to create tax districts in order to finance the cost of Dulles rail. These special tax districts could add up to 20 cents to the tax rate for residents and businesses in a two mile or more radius around the proposed rail stations, and a possible countywide tax on all commercial and industrial properties in the county or to half of the county, east of Leesburg." Janet Clarke
CC Mojo
8:24 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Isn't that the same Janet Clarke who was an integral part of the Purcellville development plan that has taken away part of Crooked Run Orchard?
Stacey F
11:29 pm on Tuesday, June 12, 2012
Of everything I've read, this has really laid out the issues st hand. I'm glad to know our fate is in the hands of people who are really examining the issue!
abroderick
12:02 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
It's good to read an article that addresses the issues while considering the needs of the public. It is good to know that people are taking this decision seriously and debating the issue critically. I hope I have the opportunity to see this county grow.
joe brewer
5:59 am on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
What a rosy picture but the issue is with the the MWAA and their spending. Practices the Inspector General and Lahood find offensive. If Fairfax is taxing business 11 cents why don't we as in Loudoun County tax business 5 and 1/2 cents? Along with the tolls there is your rail costs.
Bob Bruhns
2:36 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Does it not stand to reason that the landowners right around the rail stations will benefit more than somebody out in Lovettsville? So why shouldn't they pay more for this benefit? The tricky part is the Rt 606 station area, which appears to be on federal land. Will MWAA pocket the lease fees for development there, or will some of that money go to Loudoun County? Also, how far away from a rail station should anybody pay higher taxes, and which taxpayers, and how much more? I push the tax issue not because I want higher taxes for Loudoun County, but to really make leaders show where they stand. If people had not pushed this point, the leaders would have conveniently forgotten all about it, waited until the papers were signed, and then they would have gone "Oops! Oh, gee, we never thought of that. And now there's nothing we can do! Ain't it awful!" The more you force them to admit what they are doing before they lock you in, the better it is for you.
abroderick
11:40 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Hey you want to hear something funny? You don't live in Loudoun. You won't pay a cent for this project. "Oops! Oh, gee, I never thought of that!"
Bob Bruhns
4:43 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
No, I don't live in Loudoun County. I live in Herndon, and Herndon will indeed suffer Phase II costs, Phase II toll road avoiders jamming every road, and then the taxes that some people pretend will not come because of this. Taxes to pay down the tolls so we don't have riots on the Dulles Toll Road; taxes so that the Rosslyn Tunnel can be expanded; taxes so that Metro can pay $13 billion for needed maintenance; taxes so we can pay the finance charges for all of the above, and taxes to pay Metro operating expenses. Oh - and you in Loudoun County will be paying some of those taxes too, plus (SURPRISE!!!) more taxes, because your so-called 'leaders' approved this premature rail system, and there is no business at the stations to pay for it. Oh well!
Melvin Summers
2:42 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
I am so happy to see that at least some of the politicians making this important decision are willing to listen to the overwhelming majority of us that want the Metro to Loudoun. I hope the rest of them are listening, cause the voters sure are.
Yes to Metro
joe brewer
7:25 pm on Wednesday, June 13, 2012
Well now I bet the Supervisors are shaking in their boots Melvin just like Putin is because Clinton said bad boy bad boy!
joe brewer
9:17 am on Thursday, June 14, 2012
Many people thought this was a done deal?
mistake number 1.
Many people want metro?
mistake number 2
Basing your vote as a supervisor on error prone judgments is to compound the problem.
Stacey F
9:41 pm on Thursday, June 14, 2012
If you all were so smart and above the rest of us peasants, why didn't you run for office?
I'm excited for Metro in Loudoun :)
Bob Bruhns
7:53 am on Friday, June 15, 2012
What will happen is this: most of the costs will not be considered, people will be tricked into approving part of the job with a lot of the available money, and then, SURPRISE! "Oh, well now we have to do this and that too, oh gee, well we have to figure out how we are going to tax the County... uh, I mean how we are going to pay for this."
I think we established that you will need an expanded bus system to GET people to and from the rail stations from about 99% of Loudoun County. Have you considered what THAT will cost? No, you haven't. And one of the selling points for rail was that it ran all hours. THAT means the BUS has to run all over the county at all hours, too. Have you considered what THAT will cost? No you haven't. And the reality is that you will also be paying down the road tolls, whether you realize it or not, and you will be funding Metro's multi-billion maintenance backlog too - and you don't even have businesses to TAX at the rail station areas now! So when your leaders put on blinders and say "Oh, this is affordable," aren't you being just a LITTLE silly to believe them?
What you should do is opt out, set up that all-hours bus system, and run it to RT28 and Herndon. Or if Phase II falls through entirely, then put bus lanes in the rail right of way all the way to Wiehle Ave, and save a lot of money. As this transit route actually works out, then extend rail westward in affordable steps, as it actually becomes appropriate. Rail now, is premature.
joe brewer
9:20 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
I'm excited for you to leave Loudoun Stacey one way or the other. Because we are smart we choose not to associate with those who have character flaws as evidenced by their support of rail even after the interim report from the Inspector General. If you lay with dogs you get fleas!
abroderick
11:38 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
I choose not to associate with those so clearly hateful as yourself.
CC Mojo
10:17 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Why are the opt-out'ers so bent on personal attacks?
Myth Buster
10:34 pm on Saturday, June 16, 2012
Such a good question. I am so tied of the Opt-outers and their tactics. Enough it enough.
joe brewer
7:07 am on Sunday, June 17, 2012
Yo myth buster what HOA decided not to back the metro you seem to
avoid the question. Answer to your question mojo is cause there is so much to criticize. Since when are you the one to tell me enough is enough? Golly I just so excited, wait I believe, no I feel, darn-it I hope, maybe, or I want.... get some numbers that dispute the costs. This is not just a funding issue but a spending issue. Forthright numbers mr. mojo?
Myth Buster
10:10 am on Sunday, June 17, 2012
Sorry, not avoiding the question. I told by the following HOAs: Ashburn Village, Ashburn Farm and Broadlands the their Boards will not state public support for Metro, specifically because of the potential "tax district".
Last week Brambleton HOA revised their previous position, which supported Metro to include one caveat, they do not support for a special tax district. These HOAs represent nearly 13K residential lots and many of which are in the 1 to 2 mile of both Metro stops.
joe brewer
10:49 am on Monday, June 18, 2012
Well now nobody told us we'd have to pay for the metro. Don't support it any more.
Thanks for the reply MB.
joe brewer
6:44 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
@ CC Mojo- On 6-14, 6-16, 6-19 and 6-25 you called the tax pig and others liars. On 6-19 you wrote Why would anyone listen to a pompous, insulting, deceptive and degrading person. All personal attacks to me which you say you do not do. My suggestion for you is a little one on one contact with a male member of the species!
CC Mojo
7:10 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Wow, stalk much? With your little "suggestion" there, you proved my point about you being pompous, insulting and degrading. Unfortunately, I've not memorized your posts (I barely recall your name), so I can't vouch for your level of deception.
Calling someone a liar, however, with proof, is not name calling. I could be like you, joe, and go back over the past few months and total up each and every insult thrown by the opt-out'ers to prove my point, but I have it on good authority that nobody is listening to y'all anyway :)
P.S. My vagina and its personal contact is always up for discussion. You should go write an LTE about how mean I am and I'd be glad to list all of my adventures, just so your pretty little head rests a little easier tonight.
abroderick
11:36 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
I find what you just said to be incredibly condescending and sexist. That is not an attack on your personality. It is my honest objective opinion based on your words alone.
joe brewer
7:40 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Waste time stalking you, seriously? So you lie about lying maybe you should keep a record of your blather so you know what you have spouted. What fictitious authority do you call good? Did I mention your vagina? Maybe a old fashioned butt whipping is what you are in need of for a little perspective. My sleep should concern you as little as your bedroom activities do me.
abroderick
11:32 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
I'm sorry did you just threaten her? Tell you what. I'll take her place. I'm a woman, and maybe getting your ass handed to you by one would teach you some respect.
Melvin Summers
10:06 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Fact of the matter is Joe, over 80 percent of us want the Metro. That's a hard fact to get around and one I'm sure the politicians know quite well.
Yes to Metro
joe brewer
10:59 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Fact of the matter Mel unless Suzanne Volpe turns tail the bos will vote to opt out unless they can clear up the spending and funding issues in their next work sessions. Don't tax me bro!
abroderick
11:35 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Well I won't personally tax you, but I promise that no matter what the vote is the government will still tax you.
CC Mojo
5:41 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
Hmmm, looks like you were... well.... wrong.
Ha!
joe brewer
8:05 pm on Friday, July 6, 2012
So instead of Volpe it was Reid who took it between the cheeks. I see CC Blomo is showing the same amount and kind of class Reid did. Grace is a word that has not yet made her vocabulary. If she would have watched Higgins, Clarke and Volpe she would have had a reference for class which has surly bad sadly eluded her. In the quest to make Leesburg the winner Reid made all of Loudoun the loser something CC has as a headline on her resume. Yeah you won butt because of a punk, kinda a hollow victory butt enjoy you earned it!
Victoria Glenn
10:03 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
" My suggestion for you is a little one on one contact with a male member of the species!" "Maybe a old fashioned butt whipping is what you are in need of for a little perspective. "
WTF?! Excellent way to prove her point Joe, or are you saying you are all in favor of well spoken women being raped or abused? I am confused as to what point you are trying to make. But either way you are confirmed to be a sub-species in my eyes. And if it was a man CC needed you certainly do not qualify for the job.
abroderick
11:29 pm on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Thank you for spelling this out in clear terms. I think this will help solve a lot of questions about the Metro and hopefully put some of the scare tactics to rest.
The Baconator
12:49 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012
Joe, when it get's passed, they will figure out some new taxes. Even if it doesn't get passed, they are going to hit us with new taxes. I think for all of our taxes, we deserve good public transportation. I'm willing to do my share now it is the politicians turn to do theirs and vote yes on Metro Phase 2
joe brewer
2:07 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012
It seems there is a cluster of hissing going on here. Constructive suggestion for cc has gotten some undies in a pinch. Buy bigger undies. I can be found at O'Faolain's at 1 on Monday as I am making a business choice for a half priced hamburger abroderick. Confused on every count you are Vicky. Bacon boy it's how we are going to fund it and to what extent? There has to be a way to pay for it first and you have to tell me what it cost, where's the spending ceiling for Loudoun. Part of the 150 million from the state is from Loudoun County, they want 268 million for construction, tolls collected will be in excess of 100 million are supposed to be for phase 2, parking garages just went up to 170 million, rail cars are supposed to be 2.6 million but they want to charge Loudoun County 4.2 million per car or about 118 million. The MWAA in 2002 audit awarded no-bid contracts and the IG report a decade later says the same thing. The MWAA is the biggest winner here yet they contribute the least so do forgive my skepticism but am I really supposed top believe Ali Potter and
and the 15 thieves? Scare tactics aside if you are worried about taking the metro use another form of transportation, we ain’t afraid of no ghosts. good day
abroderick
11:27 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012
Sadly I will be at my full-time job at one. It is a shame though. It would be interesting to see if you showed up.
Melvin Summers
9:21 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012
They all ready voted 8 to 1, they have the financing and won't even have to charge the residential property owners. Looks like you are about to see joe, that Metro is coming.
joe brewer
8:00 am on Monday, July 2, 2012
Don't believe everything you see at the meeting. It sounds good but as Supervisor York says let me at that general fund yahhoooo, This quote is from Supervsor York “In the first years, we’re not going to get a lot of taxes in a special taxing district. It is going to take a while for development to occur,” he said. “But we can use that and if they do the studies and see what potential values are, we can use it to pay into the operations… but we will have to use some general fund money up front to take care of the debt service payment.”
It's Mr. Brewer to you Mel!