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LTE: Metro Is Economic Development Decision

Leesburg resident calls on the Loudoun Board of Supervisors to participate in Metro project.

 

Like many Loudouners, I’m just about fed up with the political circus surrounding the decision of whether to bring the Metro into our county. As we come closer to the deciding vote, I’m concerned that some of our supervisors are shortsightedly kowtowing to a loud minority opposed to economic development in Loudoun.

Many rail opponents like to temper their opposition with the implication that we can wait around for a revised plan to come around, but that’s not going to happen. We won’t have this opportunity again. The DC metro area is going to keep growing, with the international airport right in our backyard as a primary driver, and our choice is whether to bring that growth to Loudoun or give it all to Fairfax. If we back out and make Dulles the western terminus of the Silver Line, it will almost certainly remain the terminus. We will be stuck with no alternative to ever-increasing congestion and very limited room to expand roads. We have to decide whether we want to be a bedroom community or a vibrant and prosperous mix of rural culture and commercial opportunity.

Make no mistake that by forcing the rail to terminate at Dulles we hurt ourselves greatly in the long run. We’ve heard plenty of inflated cost projections from Metro’s political opponents but we don’t hear enough about the permanent opportunity costs of backing out of the project. Tens of thousands of jobs, upwards of 10% greater economic growth, a cleaner and more affordable commute into Washington, and developing Loudoun into a national destination for commerce. That is the beginning of what we would lose if we were to step away from the Silver Line.

I want to believe that our supervisors will decide that Loudoun’s future is more important than petty politics, and I hope they will prove me right by bringing rail to Loudoun. Let’s not get left behind.

Sujin Lee
Leesburg

About this column: Send your letters to ashburn@patch.com. Related Topics: Ashburn Metro and Ashburn business

CC Mojo

9:51 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

Where are these facts about Loudoun developing just as well? "Probably poised" is sad guesswork and not a risk I want to take.

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David A. LaRock

6:06 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Well hello CC the rail station land owner.

This letter is ridiculous.
Loudoun commissioned a study, 210 pages + 400 pages of backup. Do you care about the opinion of a truly credible expert said? Keep in mind Fuller admitted the rail station land developers paid for his study.
Do you want information, start here, “Nonetheless, RCLCO has not found any credible evidence to indicate that the extension of rail transit brings new development to an entire region.” RCLCO
“This greater intensity of development at station areas will come at the expense of slower development elsewhere in the county...” RCLCO (Development shifted but not increased)
“The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) is considering the development of office, retail, and hotel buildings on its land adjacent to the proposed Route 606 Station.” RCLCO (This commercial development will generate no tax revenue and compete with taxable development)
“MWAA 62 acres conceptually designed to a 1.5 FAR, 3.9 Million SF, 2000 Commuter Parking Spaces. These efforts have been encouraged and monitored by Loudoun County political leadership and senior planning, zoning and transportation staff.” Dulles West Plan as posted on Committee for Dulles website. (MWAA wants access to Metro as part of their plan to develop airport property for their profit.)

www.LoudounOptOut.com

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Roberto Costantino

6:13 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The dirty little secret is that Loudoun Rail is "a real estate deal, not a transportation project."

TISH G

10:47 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

The article is right about one thing.. the DC metro area will continue to grow.. which means mass transportation needs to be more available to more surrounding areas so THEY can keep growing as well.

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TISH G

11:26 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

that video is not epic.. its a butchering of a classic scene.. Must go wash eyes out now...

Evelyn Christman

11:44 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012

I am one of those quiet listeners who moved to Ashburn BECAUSE of the proposed metro and I cannot believe that I am the only one. The cost of the metro has been built into our home values for years, ever since it was first proposed. If metro does not happen, our property values will drop and the ashburn market will be flooded with an over abundance of newly constructed town homes around the metro site. All this will do is bring prices down in order for builders to unload them. As far as increased taxes, when more people come to the area to live because of the metro, there will be more people to share out tax load. My question is too is, why have people moved to loudoun if they knew the metro was being built eventually. Or if they moved here before it was proposed, why is it a surprise since its been coming for years? Why are they upset now? What about the people who moved here to actually use the metro?

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David A. LaRock

6:13 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I am sorry people have been mislead by people like the CC Mojo guy above. But the thing is your property values will not drop. Studies show a slight bump within 1/2 mile of station but that probably would be more than offset by your increase in property taxes. If you do come out ahead it will be at the expense of everybody else in the county who pays for the endless subsidies.
Blame those developers who are hyping this so they can get richer.
caveat emptor

Kadey Mackenzie

8:07 am on Monday, May 14, 2012

As a small business owner in the Dulles area it is extremely concerning to see the number of other small businesses that have moved into our area only to close down and move out a short time later because the business just isn't being brought in. Loudoun county has the potential to be just as booming as Fairfax, Reston. etc (if not more!), but nobody wants to come out here and spend half the day sitting in their cars in gridlocked traffic! As a resident, it's disheartening to see the half built buildings rusting or the brand new empty office buildings just sitting and sitting and sitting. Now THAT is what makes Loudoun County ugly! Get the Silver Line out here and watch the business people flying into Dulles start staying in our hotels, eating in our restaurants, etc. Bring business, therefore bring $$ to Loudoun County....yeah I can see how that would be a horrible, horrible thing.

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David A. LaRock

6:19 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Kadey, I think you are asking for a bailout, bought and paid for by the 99% of the people of Loudoun who will never ride the rail but you think ought to BAILOUT your little corner of the universe. Please submit that BAILOUT application to the federal gov't for further consideration. Your dooms day picture is ugly, keep spending money we don't have on projects that add nothing and we will see your vision come true, accept CC Mojo, he'll be rolling in the cash, right Chris?

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Kadey Mackenzie

4:04 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Mr. LaRock, you think incorrectly. I didn't say once I wanted or needed a BAILOUT. I'm doing just fine in my little corner of the universe as you so quaintly put it, but thank you for your concern. Dooms day picture? Ha! Being a bit dramatic aren't you?

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Raek231

10:51 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Metro or no metro, I think retail businesses will continue to struggle. I don't see how we can compete with Reston or DC or even Fairfax for business. The Hounds are coming and Loudoun One is coming but that is still no reason to trek out here when you can go to Reston or DC in less time. Retail business space will remain vacant and Loudoun will continue to be the place where government workers sleep.

Mad Republican

9:52 am on Monday, May 14, 2012

I do not believe that I have ever voted for a Democrat in my life, not sure of my early voting record in local issues in Florida over 25 years ago. But I will never vote for another Republican in Loudoun County again, if they screw up this opportunity to bring the Metro to this County. It is crazy that they can't see the economic growth potential in this. Next year's headline, Richest County in the Universe is too poor for Metro. It just makes me want to scream that my own political party will be the reason that I can't hop on the Metro to enjoy all of the cultural benefits of Washington DC!

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David A. LaRock

6:22 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Hello person who loves Metro....reality calling. If you love Metro, buy property at one of the many other Metro stops in MD where property values are quite affordable. And they all vote for Dems over there so you'll be right at home boy.

Jonathan Erickson

10:31 am on Monday, May 14, 2012

You need to take the metro issue up with your real estate agent. They had no bisiness promising you that metro was going to be built. Nothing but a hard selling technique. What restaurants are people going to eat at? Very few top of the line establishments operate here. More people means more children which is a drain on the tax base not a increase. Richest county to poorest is a headline written by the same fool who sold Evelyn her property.

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David A. LaRock

6:24 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Jonathan, ummm....uh....you're right, next question.

Kadey Mackenzie

10:59 am on Monday, May 14, 2012

Perhaps there would be more 'top of the line' establishments out here if more people would bring their business and money here. I hate to break it to you, Jonathan, but do you see all the houses they are building on top of each other out here (assuming you even live here)? That means more people and more children draining your tax base with or without the Silver Line. I'm not even sure what your point of commenting was other than to be condescending?

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David A. LaRock

6:26 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

More transit (publicly subsidized) means more schools-kids-services-TAXES. If you believe otherwise I've got a bridge to sell you,...or a rail station condo in Ashburn.

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Kadey Mackenzie

3:40 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Wait a second, more transit would mean more schools for our area?? HOT DOG! Another pro to bringing the silver line out here then! Our children that are being bused to schools away from their neighborhood friends and the schools they are zoned for because of overcrowding would welcome the new schools!! And hey, that has absolutely nothing to do with the Silver Line or any other transit for that matter, it's ALREADY A PROBLEM. We are going to pay taxes period so if I'm going to pay taxes then I would like it to be worth my while and go to schools, roads, transportation etc. because at least then I know it's going somewhere other than someone's pocket.

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Kadey Mackenzie

3:59 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Rob Jones I agree with you about the strip malls and the redundancy of the businesses in them, but I'm not referring to those. I didn't once use the lack of business activity on the lack of rail, I simply said I felt it could help the local economy. Do I think it's going to 'gush millions of dollars' into our local businesses? Nooooo. Do I feel it would boost things a bit? Absolutely. Whether it's sustaining the businesses we already have or bringing in new ones.

Bob Booey

11:39 am on Monday, May 14, 2012

There are benefits to the tax base of bringing rail to Loudoun... several mixed use projects, dependent on rail, will not happen if we opt out. The result will be a continuation of the bedroom community development that has led to Loudoun being upside down in its tax base. The high quality business development that rail will bring goes a long way to helping stabilize the tax burden on residents. Historically as metro and rail lines go up, around in the stations vicinity businesses go up also. Virginia's corporate income tax has not been raised in fourty years, since 1972. At 6 percent, our rate is one of the lowest in the nation. This, combined with the Metro is bound to draw business large and small to the area. With a corporate tax rate so low, why wouldnt a large business want to move into Loudoun. The Silverline means more jobs for people in Loudoun. From construction, maintenance, new local business, large corporatins moving in, etc. This just makes a lot of sense. By bringing in these new businesses it would actually help the tax strain of its residents.

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David A. LaRock

6:32 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Mr. Booey is full of hooey. Your mythical statements are not supportable. The Tyson corner employment center came to be without a silly train. The federal gov't paid for the Dulles Airport and that's why all the business that has followed has lowered our taxes to where we hardly pay anything, right, oh wait I just got mine in the mail today...oh no this can't be mine this must be a mistake, I can't afford this.

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Dusty Smith

8:11 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Mr. LaRock, Tysons Corner is located at the Capital Beltway. Don't you think that's a little different than Loudoun's situation? Just trying to point out the clear difference.

TISH G

12:39 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Bottom line.. it's important to the regional economy. A report by George Mason University says if the second phase of the project is approved, Loudoun County stands to add nearly $237 billion to its economy between 2015 and 2040. Thats Big boon..

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David A. LaRock

6:36 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

$2 will get you a psychic reading that can predict whether it will be raining 50 years from today or not...guaranteed to be 50% accurate. Fuller will never achieve near that level of accuracy.
Watch Mr. Full of it in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEZjzsnPhnw

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Dusty Smith

2:44 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

This is in response to two comments above—one in support of rail and one opposed. In terms of residential development, the notion that having more homes spreads the cost is not accurate. Every new home adds service costs, mostly for schools, with two exceptions: homes that pay more in taxes than they use in services (those valued well over $1 million); or multifamily units (apartments and condos), which generate fewer children per unit than townhouses and single-family detached (that's why developers pay lower proffers for those units). Most, if not all, members of the Loudoun Board of Supervisors campaigned for more commercial development to offset the tax burden on residents. The best way to do that is what this debate centers on.

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David A. LaRock

10:05 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Thank goodness there's a lot of difference between Loudoun and Fairfax...and that is why people move here, if they wanted Fairfax that's where they'd be.

Roberto Costantino

7:12 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

We moved to Loudoun County twenty four years ago from the immediate vicinity of the West Falls Church Metro. It was evident that in moving to the outer suburbs we were trading some conveniences including access to Metro for open space and tranquility. Also, we desired to bring up our children in safer surroundings in the context of safety and security concerns.

As someone with a master’s degree in Urban and Environmental Planning from University of Virginia (1996), I think I have a pretty good handle on urban planning. It is both inefficient and environmentally damaging to bring the Metro Silver Line beyond Dulles Airport. The consequences of such an extension of Metro would be urban sprawl, pollution, violent crime, property crime, transitory neighbors, enormous debt and subsidies to Metro for perpetuity requiring still higher taxes and further unwanted development. The Metro will transform Loudoun County into a facsimile of Fairfax County. What good is that?

Let’s help save a green Loudoun County by opting out of Metro. Let’s help save historical Loudoun County for posterity by opting out of Metro. We need to establish a virtual urban boundary line at Dulles Airport to do so. By the way, planners tell me that if Loudoun opts out, the rail will still be built to Dulles Airport and commuters will still be within five miles of Metro. Say no to Metro: Opt out!

Roberto Costantino of Loudoun County and the Commonwealth of Virginia

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CC Mojo

11:00 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012

Violent crime... transients? Right now, there is a couple hanging out in Countryside with "will work for food" signs. None of that is going to change just because of Metro. That's just life. Keeping Metro at bay isn't going to keep the boogeyman out.

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David A. LaRock

6:41 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

How would you know CC you live in a gated community and move about in a limo, right? Get back to your 8 figure developer job dude and quit lurking with the peasants. Your gonna get your Metro, people are just too gullible to judge this on its merits.

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David A. LaRock

9:55 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

CC Mojo, maybe you ought to tell this person about how "that's just life"

Woman gang-raped near Greenbelt Metro
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/12/woman-gang-raped-near-greenbelt-metro-70649.html

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TISH G

11:44 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Posting articles like that doesn't help your opinion get across to people.. that's like a scare tactic.. *look women are raped by metro rails*.
Women are raped everywhere.. in the richest and poorest communities in the world.
That link does nothing to support your argument.

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CC Mojo

1:14 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Did you really just use that woman's tragedy to further your own cause? Wow, you are a great guy.

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Victoria Glenn

1:43 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Fear tactics like a tragedy that happened "near" a rail station at a time when it was not even open are how you justify your thinking? Cause that makes sense.

Bob Bruhns

1:09 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Am I really to believe that a couple of local rail stations on the east end of Loudoun County are going to cause businesses all across the county to gush hundreds of billions of dollars? (And 2012 dollars, at that.) People leaving Loudoun County in the morning will have to funnel to a couple of nearby stations and take a local train east, and then either they have to work along the rail line, or they have to transfer to... (horrors) a BUS, to get to Fairfax, perhaps. And people coming in to Loudoun County will arrive at the east end of the county, and will either have to work in one of several buildings near the rail stations (where there is NO BUSINESS RAIL TAX DISTRICT, hmmmm), or they will have to transfer to... (horrors again) a BUS, to get to central and other parts of Loudoun County.

Hundreds of billions (in 2012 dollars) of additional Gross County Product, merely because people transfer to a local rail link at some point in all of this travel? I REALLY don't think so! And no business rail tax district to collect a fair share from the main beneficiaries of all of this double-priced rail? People must be very brainwashed to support this nonsense.

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Roberto Costantino

6:14 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The dirty little secret is that Loudoun Rail is "a real estate deal, not a transportation project." Opt Out

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CC Mojo

7:58 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Flounder, flounder, spew and scream.
Mr. LaRoche is nothing but mean :(

Oh, I mean LaRock. I must be confused from all the time I spend driving around LoCo in my limo... in Countryside. Seriously, get a grip.

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David A. LaRock

8:21 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Sink me...the Big time rail station landowner developer CC Mojo can write poetry.

You mock my name
but you don't deny my claim...

PS sorry to have deflated your Dr Full of it "study" will you still let him cash the check since he wouldn't keep your dirty little secret about who paid for his psychic readings

It is so clear that his blather is a specific attempt to discern information with clairvoyance and the resulting statements made during such an attempt. He is a paranormal-based consultant, opinions are given for a fee in such settings as over the phone, in a home, or at psychic fairs...like the one coming up on the 17th, will you be there CC?

"Loudoun", says Fuller, "spend spend spend," trust me I'm from the developers and I'm here to help.

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Dusty Smith

9:45 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

David, unless you have evidence that CC Mojo is a landowner around Metro (my understanding is otherwise) then I must ask that you refrain from those comments.

CC Mojo

8:31 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Which claim should I start with, Davey? There's been so many, it's hard for a girl to keep up :)

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Roberto Costantino

9:47 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

"Richie Rich syndrome": One must first commute to Loudoun Rail station on the private Greenway, which will be expensive. Then folk will have to pay to park, which will be expensive. Also, folk will have to but round trip Metro tickets. Moreover, expect higher property taxes, sales taxes, charges and fees to hep pay for it. There is little to nothing that is progressive about Loudoun Rail because it will be unaffordable. It is going to cost and arm and a leg to use it.

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Victoria Glenn

2:10 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

So its going to be super expensive to use the metro...but it is also going to be an easy highway for transients and criminals. Am I the only person who sees the incongruity here? And how is paying to use the rail more expensive than gas, car maintenance, parking in the city not to mention the cost of hours of time spent stuck in traffic...and the environmental costs of so many cars...thats a cost we can never recoup

CC Mojo

10:50 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Rob, isn't your question about businesses stepping up the same thing as accusing me or others of being in this for corporate benefit only? My point, from the beginning, is that we need Metro to encourage the business here. There is nothing but benefit to be had, and that's especially true for my own personal situation in Loudoun. I'm willing to pony up and work together to benefit everyone, and the more this thing is picked apart, the longer it will take... it's been DECADES waiting for Metro to come out here, that's a lot of time and revenue lost over petty bickering and fuzzy party line rhetoric.

Just DO it already.

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Rob Jones

11:28 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

CC, fair enough. I see your point and I agree that building the local economy is a good thing. I also agree that Metro could have some benefits for both commuters and businesses, if properly financed. What would you say to revising the 28 tax district boundaries and rates to capture more of the value in the land around the 772 and 28 stations, to pick up where the proffers leave off? Or something? Because it's completely unfair to jack my commuting tolls up to double every year, too. With so many brilliant minds in our corporate community, do we not have someone out there who can structure this deal so that it makes sense? Maybe Virginia has walked away from this for now for more ideological reasons, but they have not said "no", either. When Ray LaHood comes out here, if it means so much to our liberal friends, why doesn't come out here with suitcase full of cash? Maybe spending public money isn't all that popular right now. Maybe the political calculus, "fuzzy party line rhetoric" as you term it, has both sides waiting for the other to blink. In the meantime, what are we doing to promote Loudoun's commercial assets on the good old boy network to get some jobs out here?

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Dusty Smith

11:44 am on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I just want to point out that the toll issue does not go away if Loudoun opts out. The project will still rely heavily on tolls under the current financing plan, even if it stops at Dulles Airport. To avoid the tolls, all of phase two would have to go away, which is what some folks want, or the money would have to come from elsewhere. As for tax districts, Loudoun has in fact discussed that possibility. Probably not an expansion of the Route 28 tax district, but as a new one. I don't think anyone wants $17 tolls, but I'm not sure its fair for just the two Loudoun stations to make up the difference for the entire project. And just to be clear for those who may confuse the two tolls roads, the project would rely on Dulles Toll Road tolls, not Dulles Greenway tolls, which are privately collected. The state has also expressed a willingness to contribute more to alleviate toll reliance if some issues are worked out with MWAA.

David A. LaRock

2:23 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

"So its going to be super expensive to use the metro" No no no. Very few people actually use trains. It is super expensive to build operate and maintain. Users only pay a small fraction of overall costs, that's why Loudoun the cash cow has been invited.

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Roberto Costantino

5:51 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

I agree, but even that small fraction would heavily impact someone's budget.

Victoria Glenn

4:55 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Few people use trains? Have you ever visited a city that has an extensive rail system and tried to get a seat during peak hours? As gas prices are rising with no end in sight, the demand for public transportation that is reliable and economical is also rising.
More people would use the train here too if there WAS ONE. I know my husband will, as it will reduce his commute time and perhaps give him some time everyday to spend with his kids, time he now spends sitting in gridlock, wasting gas that is around $4.00 a gallon.

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Roberto Costantino

5:46 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

This is not a subway. We don't live in D.C. or Arlington. Rather, we live in outer suburbia. The great majority of people will acess the Metro line train-station in their car. The said station is to be built along the private Greenway toll road no less. Then you'll have to pay plenty to park. Afterward, you'll have to buy expensive round trip tickets. Next, perhaps, it's another costly Greenway toll or a slow drive home on a heavily traveled secondary road while you burn expensive gas and polute the air. Additionally, you can expect your property taxes and sales taxes to go up along with concocted special charges or fees. There is no way anyone can use this service on a regular basis who earns less than 80K to 100K a year. Opt Out !

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Victoria Glenn

9:48 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Where are you getting the math that supports that? How on earth can you say that taking the train will cost more than the price of gas, car maintenance, time, parking in the city which many have to pay for? We have no idea how high the cost of gas will go or when we will see and end to it, so it is a fact that people are indeed seeking reliable public transportation. This has been in the plans since 1971...its about time to get it done.

Roberto Costantino

5:13 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

My last point is that the Opt Out side is willing to concede a Silver Line running from West Falls Church to Dulles Airport. But, that part beyond or west of Dulles Airport should be off limits. When is enough, enough? The dirty little secret is that Loudoun rail is a "real estate deal, not a transportation project." We don't want to further bail out Wall Street, real estate speculators and the developers who over built in good times.

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Mary Walker

8:58 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I agree wholeheartedly! There were similar concerns expressed during every major development in Northern Virginia. Original construction of Metro was controversial and there were howls of protest when I-66 was constructed. I am old enough to remember the gloom and doom predictions when Tysons Corner was first transformed from a rural intersection to the hub of economic activity it is today. Folks, you can't stop progress and I'd prefer an environmentally responsible public transportation system in Loudoun to more road construction and vehicular traffic.

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David A. LaRock

1:04 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

??? Progress= Higher taxes...Soaring Tolls...Billions spent to make traffic Worse?????

Sounds more like leadership FAILURE

Look up Rent Seeking Society for a snapshot of what is going on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

LoudounOptOut.com

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Roberto Costantino

12:56 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

While they cross their fingers (lie).

Roberto Costantino

12:53 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Mary: An "environmentally responsible public transportation system" will soon be accompanied by even more road constrction and vehicular traffic. I remember all the above events, also. You fail to mention the everyday gridlock around the West Falls Church Metro, for example. The Loudoun Rail is not going to be developed in a void. The whole idea is to sell land and space and fill them up with new earthlings. The dirty little secret is that the Metro Silver Line Phase Two is "a real estate deal, not a transportation project." Cheers

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Randy Rawson

11:32 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

All that needs to be said has been said by Washington Post columnist Steven Pearlstein in his Sunday Business, May 6, 2012 editorial, "Hostage-taking on the Silver Line." Let's just show some back bone, quit whiniing, and get on with it! BOS: you've been hired to make decisions and live with them; make them.

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