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Loudoun Opts In On Metro

After contentious four months, a divided board stays with the project.

With more eyes on Loudoun County than likely have ever been on it, the Loudoun Board of Supervisors voted 5-4 on Tuesday to continue participating with the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project, which will extend the now-under-construction Silver Line from Wiehle Avenue in Reston to Route 772 in Ashburn.

“Well the day has finally come for this board to make the decision about the future of Loudoun County,” County Chairman Scott K. York (I-At Large) said as the vote approached. “This will help our employers reach our employees regionally.”

York and Supervisors Ken Reid (R-Leesburg), Ralph Buona (R-Ashburn), Matt Letourneau (R-Dulles) and Shawn Williams (R-Broad Run) voted in supported, while Supervisors Suzanne Volpe (R-Algonkian), Geary Higgins (R-Catoctin), Janet Clarke (R-Blue Ridge) and Eugene Delgaudio (R-Sterling) voted against the project.

“I don’t think this package is a good deal for Loudoun,” Higgins said. “I think we couldn’t gotten a better deal.”

By participating in the project, Loudoun agrees to pay 4.8 percent of the construction costs of both phases of the project, totaling about $270 million. In total, about $16 million in ongoing maintenance and operation plus $18 million in annual debt service payments would put the county on the hook for about $34 million per year, minus any use of the county’s share of gas tax money and additional revenue coming from development around the new rail stations.

In addition, the board agreed to pursue a special tax district near the rail station, which would exclude existing residential and businesses located farther away from stations from taxes for Metro. However, if costs are higher than anticipated, other sources of revenue, including general fund dollars, could be used to make up the difference.

About 50 speakers showed up one final time Monday night, and a couple more Tuesday morning, mostly to encourage supervisors to stick to the plan and participate in the project.

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Virginia Del. Ken Plum (D-Reston), who has been part of the group advocating for rail to Dulles for 20 years, says getting past the "small but very vocal" minority of dissenters was key.

"It is a great relief," Plum said of Loudoun's Tuesday vote. "It was a good decision. It would have been a serious mistake to do otherwise. Rail will be good for the longterm economic growth of Loudoun and of the corridor."

Said Patty Nicoson of the Dulles Corridor Rail Association: “With the financing plan in place and almost every question raised and answered by the Board during this process, this is an extremely positive step for Loudoun County and the region."

Fairfax County had reconfirmed its support in April. Fairfax County Board of Supervisors Chairwoman Sharon Bulova said Tuesday she was happy with Loudoun's vote.

"I’m happy to see that Loudoun County has decided to remain a committed partner in Rail to Dulles," said Bulova. "I look forward to continuing to work to maximize the economic development potential that rail brings, and finding ways to keep tolls affordable and protect Fairfax County residents and commuters."

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Bob Bruhns July 3, 2012 at 07:07 pm
Hi, Baconater. I'm surprised that you and the other pen-namers are still around.
I guess you will walk or drive to the rail station when you take the train, since you have some aversion to using a bus. But now you need to arrange for day and night bus service to the rail stations. You have a few years to plan that. After January 1, 2012 you can probably work on it while you are stuck on the side roads in Fairfax County, because most people will not pay the usurious tolls - assuming they even still have a job to go to in the first place. Congratulations, if you think this is a victory. Depending on who you really are, maybe it is - for you.
T-Bird July 3, 2012 at 09:28 pm
Pork for all!! Oink Oink!!!
T-Bird July 3, 2012 at 09:35 pm
Yet somehow you seem to miss the fact that the "truth" is not relative, or subject to opinion. It's a fact. Like 2+2=4. Fact. See? If you feel like it should be 6, that doesn't make it right, or in any way legitimate. We can agree to disagree, but as you said it must be reasonable. Fabricating "facts" and fabricating "evidence" is not reasonable. I don't know if you had any personal involvement, but the "oppisition" you spoke of positioned themselves in a way as to not be taken seirously by any free thinking person. Hence the vote.
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 12:20 am
Anybody who actually looked at the numbers knows that this was a ripoff. I can only hope that it manages to make even ten percent of the difference it was supposedy going to make, because it really looks like a disaster to me.
I think that people, whether they supported this thing or opposed it, should put that aside now and work hard, to make this colossal blunder work as well as it possibly can. Because if it falls on its face, this region is finished.
t_joseph July 4, 2012 at 12:46 am
Bob- you put up a great fight and no one can criticize you for not being very vocal in your concerns. there are other great causes out there - kids who need homes, animals being neglected, spouses being abused. your energy and your calling to point out the bad guys could be put to even better use, now?. just a thought since this vote is now history. God bless you.
By the way, in case it helps you to take my input more seriously, i should have mentioned this to you before - this IS my real name, not a pen name. i have been called "TJ" by friends in the past.....you can call me Ray, you can call me Ray Jay, you can call me RJ Jr...... but you doesn't have to call me Mr. Johnson - (now, i''m tipping my age because i doubt many under 50 will recall that reference but i'll bet you can !!)
t_joseph July 4, 2012 at 12:49 am
be a good winner so as not to set yourself up for eating Crow later !
:)
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 01:05 am
No, getting air passengers to the airport was only a talking point for the Silver Line, one of many advertising tricks.
Dulles Corridor Predicted to See Success with Rail Herndon Patch, September 17, 2010 http://herndon.patch.com/articles/dulles-corridor-predicted-to-see-success-with-rail "Stuart Mendelsohn, who served for eight years on the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors ... said ... 'Rail is really there to get the employees there. Six-hundred feet really isn't going to stop the employees from using it,' he said. He said often fewer travelers use the rail to get to the airport than airport employees." - Sharon Bulova Pushes for Alternative Location for Dulles Airport Metro Station Herndon Patch, April 19, 2011 http://herndon.patch.com/articles/sharon-bulova-pushes-for-alternative-location-for-dulles-airport-metro-station “'The percentage of people actually coming to the airport station to get on a plane will be a relatively small percentage,' [Fairfax County BOS chair] Bulova said. Most who use the station will be employees and the garage location is more convenient for them, she said." - - Airports Authority Chooses More Costly and 'User-Friendly' Option for Dulles Metro Station WMAL, April 20, 2011 http://wmal.com/Article.asp?id=2154797 "Virginia Secretary of Transportation Sean Connaughton ... says that the vast majority of those who will wind up using the Dulles Metro station will be airport employees."
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 02:19 am
Oops, I meant after January 1, 2013 - not January 1, 2012.
This really is an 80% overcharge, t_j, and that's a lot of money. Money doesn't come easily to me, and I hate to see taxpayers ripped off, because I am one of them. I also know that the beneficiaries of this outpouring of undeserved public money will not be so generous themselves. And I can very much do without the likes of the MWAA Board, that was exposed by the DOT Inspector General's recent report. The political wagon-circling that gives support to that ilk is not a pretty sight to me, either. I hope Virginia's Governor manages to seat a few better apples in there, SOON, before MWAA can make any more trouble.
Sherri Isbister July 4, 2012 at 02:35 am
Le Pack of Pigs are sore losers. Thank you Supervisors for making the right decision for Loudoun. Let's all move forward now.
t_joseph July 4, 2012 at 02:51 am
but what are you going to do, keep arguing after the debate is over? that seems unproductive when there are so many other good causes to which you could apply your energy. don't forget - i offered to pay your tax increases if you would just acknowledge some of the benefits of the Metro and you passed on that. so it's not really about your money - this must be about your sense of injustice. surely there's bigger injustices than Metro...have you seen what the govt of Syria is doing to innocent civilians? good Lord. i saw a woman at Walgreen's the other night - her husband had her on the run for her safety and she couldn't pay for basic medicinal needs....just look around, there's lots more that's egregiously wrong out there than a train and tax debate.
you made a lot of good points, you fought the good fight. but sometimes the other side "wins". when that happens, i move on and find an even better cause to fight, and see if i can win the next one. anyway, i wish you well.
Kevin Chisholm July 4, 2012 at 03:04 am
The additional rail stops that Loudoun County supported today will bring public transit westward. To meet the regional needs of the larger community (Loudoun, Fairfax, Clarke and Frederick Counties), bigger thinking is needed by local and state officials. No Federal dollars are involved in the extension of Metro to Dulles. Public transit infrastructure is of national interest since it makes us less dependent on foreign oil and more responsive to the international need to combat climate change.
The existing rail lines that course through America offer a significant opportunity to build better regional rail systems at a much lower cost per mile than anything that Metro is able to build. In addition, heavily used Route 7 corridor from Leesburg to Tysons is a prime candidate for express bus service during weekdays and weekends. I will work hard to encourage Fairfax and Loudoun County officials as well as Virginia and Federal officials to agree upon ways to provide an alternative for residents near Route 7. The corridor could be served by an express bus service that could terminate at a Tysons Metro station next year. Future plans could include using the right-of-way of Route 7 for construction of light rail. Officials in the affected justifications could consider establishing a VRE type of regional organization. Thinking long-term, Kevin Chisholm Candidate for U.S. House of Representatives (Virginia’s 10th Congressional) www.chisholmforcongress.com
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 10:49 am
Now t_j, bearing false witness is not a good thing for you to do. You didn't want me to just acknowledge this or that good thing that Metro might produce - you wanted me to lavish praise onto the project for pay. I think there are enough people doing that already, don't you?
What I fought in this rail ripoff, is the problem that is destroying this nation, and many nations of the world - excess borrowing, to pay excess charges, for things that are not needed. In this instance, a bus system was long needed, but never built; instead, we will have premature rail at an exorbitant price. Instead, we will be struggling with immediate overwhelming needs, when we should have been making prudent preparations. Do you advocate that I should not oppose such blunders?
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 11:01 am
Yes, it's time to move forward and figure out how we are going to deal with WMATA's $13 Billion maintenance backlog, because it's our problem now. And let's figure what we are going to do about the Rosslyn Tunnel, because it is our problem now too. And the tolls... are not going to work. Let's figure what we are going to do about that.
We are paying 1.8 times for this rail extension. Let's not pay 1.8 times for those things too. We just aren't that rich. I really think the solution is a rail lottery. Call it 'Making Tracks'. Hey, if Governor Flipflop likes this rail thing now, let him get such a lottery approved. Otherwise, the only solution will be taxes and fees.
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 11:11 am
Yes - now that we committed to premature rail, let's put in the bus service that was really needed in the first place. Somebody certainly didn't want to do that earlier, or it would have proven to be effective, and the premature rail might not have been approved. Also, business would have built up that could pay for conversion to rail, when the time came. But no, somebody wanted to make things difficult - and they succeeded, didn't they. And now we are paying 1.8 times for the Silver Line. This is the sort of thing that real leaders oppose.
Chipperson July 4, 2012 at 11:24 am
How will the area and corridor survive with 18 dollar tolls? Business will not come out this way with an access scheme that costs that much. Fail for LoCo today.
I'll be taking my talents elsewhere in the state where fiscal responsibility overrides emotion. NoVA is toast ( atleast Reston, it's been fun though)
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 11:26 am
Don't worry - with a Billion and a half dollars of overcharge in this second phase alone, there will be plenty of pork going around.
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 11:38 am
Apparently the conventional wisdom is that things like Metro need 'an expanding tax base'. I wonder how many people realize that this means 'Ponzi Scheme'. It would work, if no more Metro had to be installed into that expanding tax base. That was why there was such a push for federal funding - it provided exactly such taxation without service. But the feds said no, because this Phase II plan was so bad that they anticipate failure.
The only way we can avoid that failure - if avoiding failure is even possible at all now - is to resist excessive prices on all future work. The near-double prices and the false financing plans in Dulles Rail must never be permitted to happen again.
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 11:51 am
Unfortunately, this happens everywhere. When projects get this big and this massively overpriced, the payoffs are too big for crooked politicians and the news media to resist. They don't know or care what they are doing, and the results are messy at best. Crooked politics is the reason why citification never seems to produce any economy of scale.
CC Mojo July 4, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Happy 4th of July, Bob :)
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Happy 4th of July, CC!
While people enjoy watching the fireworks tonight, maybe they should consider this: our nation's founders were not exactly pure, but I really don't think that this kind of Billion and a half dollar overcharge was what they fought for at Valley Forge, Trenton, etc.
Vineet Aggarwal July 4, 2012 at 01:20 pm
I think rather than thinking about 1.5 billion dollars during the fireworks, people should think about their family and friends and how fortunate we are to live in this country.
t_joseph July 4, 2012 at 01:37 pm
Bob - let me come at this another way. I'll take full responsibility for my prior offer being misinterpreted - my fault, OK?
1) you said "money is not easy to come by for people like you" 2) i'm willing to send you money to help you......cash....to your home 3) my motivation is two -fold a) help you with something that is clearly very painful for you b) help you use your talents to engage in bigger, more important issues in this world than a train and taxes 4) so my offer is to send you cash if you will tell me, and i will trust you without proof, what good works you'll do with a portion of it. what cause that specifically helps known individual people to be better off because of Bob Bruhns e.g. "i will serve two hours at the soup kitchen", "I will go down to Big Brothers/Big Sisters and volunteer to help those young kids", "i will take in a dog from the SPCA and wash and feed and take care of it" etc. That's my offer - to give you money to help you personally and to help you to help others. If you plan to turn this offer down, please pause a minute, maybe pray or meditate and ask "why would i reject this offer to help me and others and choose to stay at my PC reiterating points i've already made to people who've already heard them on an issue that's already been decided?" I'm challenging you Bob, because deep down i think you're a good guy. Challenging you to do greater things with your talents. i am rooting for you Bob!
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 02:04 pm
t_j, perhaps instead you should make your offer to the people who will pocket a billion and a half dollars of overcharge from this job. I know, they wouldn't stoop to discuss anything with actual people, so you would never get the opportunity. But tell someone else what to do, ok?
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 02:07 pm
Yes, don't think how you are being massively ripped off. You might think of why the American Revolution happened in the first place.
t_joseph July 4, 2012 at 04:42 pm
i'm sorry but i don't understand your response at all. i'm not arguing with it, i'm saying i literally don't understand what you wrote. why would i give money to people you think have or just got a lot unfairly? are you rejecting my offer to give you money to help you and others of your choosing ? you said that money isn't easy to come by. do you not want me to send you cash in the mail that all you have to do is share some with other people in need? that's as easy as it gets and with your passion for people being wronged, i was hoping you'd give it real consideration
t_joseph July 4, 2012 at 04:46 pm
Bob - come on now, breath in, breathe out.....the sun WILL come up tomorrow...it's a beautiful day. join us outside enjoying God's graces and the benefits of living in an albeit not perfect but still great country. i've travelled the world - we are lucky to live here !
Burt Rosenberg July 4, 2012 at 04:51 pm
You are spot on, Rob! Toll Road users are the losers...shafted badly by MWAA. Horrible! Another case of grand plans paid for with OTM (i.e. other people's money). Those who want to take from Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul. Highly recommend working/voting against any who condone this way of doing things.
Bob Bruhns July 4, 2012 at 06:51 pm
A few more ripoffs like this rail fiasco, and this country will go the way of Greece, t_j. I am happy that the people behind this sort of thing are getting smaller jobs, not at the Big Dig level any more, since Chris Christie stopped them in New Jersey. When they are reduced to the point where they have to overcharge for painting doghouses, I'll be ready to celebrate.
Satchmo July 4, 2012 at 08:33 pm
Bob, don't they have blogs over in Fairfax that you can spend time with?
grizzled July 5, 2012 at 07:20 pm
Thats the best idea, will sell when house prices spike just as the Innovation Center stop is built. Will be nice to get an extra $100 K for just a few years wait.
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