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LTE: Reader Ponders Metro Debt

The writer questions how Loudoun would pay for the project and suggests the county opt out of the Silver Line.

Great Idea Chairman York.

In a work session last week Chairman Scott K. York made a great point, and I would like to thank him for it. He told his fellow Board members that, “Rt. 28 barely got built, and the only reason it got built is because the landowners came together and said they would fund 75 percent of it.” Bravo Chairman York!

Here’s how it worked. In 1987, the Virginia General Assembly gave localities the go-ahead to create special tax districts to finance transportation improvements. Fairfax and Loudoun Counties quickly teamed up with Route 28 landowners to form the first transportation improvement district in the Commonwealth. Funding for this project was largely provided by the district’s tax revenues.

This how Metro should be financed if it comes into Loudoun at all. The current funding deal is simply not structured this way. As structured now it places the cost burden on the individual taxpayer, not the businesses who stand to profit the most.

I ask the Chairman to lead our Board of self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives to vote 9-0 to Opt Out and allow the Dulles Rail project to connect to the Dulles Airport. If MWAA choses to work with the property owners who have expressed a desire to move this forward, let them do so, but please do not hand over a blank check to be paid for with our taxes.

Sincerely,

Cathy McNickle
Sterling, VA

[Editor's note: The Loudoun Board of Supervisors is considering two types of tax districts, possibly in combination, to pay for rail construction. Patch will have a story about the May 22 meeting on the that topic soon.]

Tax Pig May 23, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Yes Yes Yes and YES to Opt Out
Thad Hunter May 24, 2012 at 02:09 am
If the new 40 foot printed material prohibition it accurate, I’m not sure that our Board wants to continue debating this. Maybe the press will ask Chairman York for the justification.
http://loudounoptout.blogspot.com/2012/05/chairman-scott-york-slams-door-on.html
joe brewer May 24, 2012 at 10:24 am
MWAA letter, Toll road to pay for the metro into Loudoun. If and hopefully we do opt out will we get our toll road money back since the time Kaine turned the road over to MWAA?
Bob Bruhns May 24, 2012 at 11:49 am
Well HOORAY that the LC BOS is finally STARTING to think about tax districts, now that the irrevocable decision is - what - six weeks away. Especially since they knew pretty much what they know now, when they were discussing a tax district two years ago.
Who's kidding who? The plan is to foist Phase II onto Loudoun and Fairfax Counties, because the public is apathetic and ignorant. Phase II is full of overcosts of 70% to 100%. The arguments, even from the most knowledgable groups, are only going to push these overcosts onto taxpayers, in the name of 'fairness'. All of you need to snap out of it and wake up. Phase II is a deliberate ripoff, and you are its victims. Rail to Loudoun is premature, and you are heading to another expensive mistake, like the Dulles Greenway bankruptcy in 1996. Dulles Rail Phase II, aka Rail to Loudoun, aka Rail to Dulles, aka The Silver Line (Phase II), is a bad plan, premature, overpriced, and VERY badly designed at Dulles Airport (far beyond the old above ground / below ground smokescreen argument). JUST SAY NO! Send this failure back to the drawing board, and don't let your 'leaders' lie to you again. Don't fall for Chicken Little who says "OH! OH! You HAVE to approve this NOW, or The Sky Will Fall." It's time to think and act like actual adult human beings, not like sheep or cattle being directed for somebody else's purposes. You don't think that a billion plus dollars of extra profit serves somebody else's purposes? Snap out of it!
Thad Hunter May 24, 2012 at 01:24 pm
Speaking of the Dulles Greenway, I hear talk that it is financial trouble again. If so, what is the implication to Loudoun? Is that the transportation issue which we should be discussing? Anyone have any data on the subject?
Dusty Smith (Editor) May 24, 2012 at 02:36 pm
The Dulles Greenway is operated privately under an agreement with the state, which permits the owners to charge tolls at a rate that covers expenses, maintenance and provides some profit. I'm not aware of the trouble you're talking about. The Greenway's initial problems, to which Mr. Bruhns referred, were also under private, not state or local, operation. Just wanted to point out those differences.
Sam Carter May 24, 2012 at 03:30 pm
Let's see, we now have complaints about the high tolls on the Dulles Greenway which is a PRIVATE enterprise that was approved because the Commonwealth shirked its responsibility to provide for transportation. Citizens have little control over how badly they are gouged on Greenway tolls irrespective of any funding for rail. We have many things available to us (e.g. parks, roads, schools) because previous generations were not as myopic and selfish as we appear to be. Great cities (e.g. Paris) have easily accessible public transportation that improves the quality of life for all, even those living in the suburbs. A previous comment mentioned "special tax districts to finance transportation improvements" as a solution to rail funding. In a very real sense, we already have one, as the citizens of Loudoun will ALL benefit from having rail available; I can't help but think there are many who really want to be "free riders" by disguising their preferences in hopes of getting others to pay...don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree!
wahoowa May 24, 2012 at 03:36 pm
Forget it; apparently Loudouners want nothing to do with being a great city. All the opponents can come up with are false numbers and racial scare tactics, and the people listen. Development? Long-term solutions? Forethought? Not if I have to pay for it!
Ahh, Loudoun, always making me proud. The Kansas of the DC metro area.
CC Mojo May 24, 2012 at 04:21 pm
Loudoun wants Metro, they're just not all posting here. I can't think of a person who isn't behind the Silver Line - the squeaky wheels screaming "the sky will fall" are few and far between... and obviously have a lot of time online.
Rob Jones May 24, 2012 at 05:36 pm
If Loudoun wants Metro, it should be on the ballot in November. Put it to a vote and let the pieces fall where they may. Now that the Board of Superivisors is looking around for who to hang the cost on, we'll find out who's REALLY boss around here.
Rob Jones May 24, 2012 at 05:53 pm
Actually, you're right. The Loudoun Board way back in 2002 agreed to rail without any facts or figures to analyze, just a blind vote. At some point a funding formula came out that had the Federal Gov coming in at 50%, the State at 25% and the localities sharing the balance. Somewhere in the mix, Virginia gave MWATA the whole toll road to pay for the rail line. The toll road was valued at some $3.5 Billion, which would have covered the entire cost of the project had it been built back in 2005 or so, and the tolls would have paid off whatever debt over time without any tax money from Fairfax or Loudoun, depending on whose math you use. Now, there's no more Fed money, Virginia's pretty much walking away, and it falls on Fairfax and Loudoun to jump in and pay for the rest of it. I think the myopia and selfishness come from the Washington side -- had they had their ducks in a row, the rail line would have been built and this food fight would have been avoided. The great schools and communities in Loudoun, should you ever visit Loudoun, come from a tradition of fiscal responsibility and community values. As for the Greenway, it was built, according to legend, by a private investor who wanted to save her precious Western Loudoun countryside from rampant development, so why not build a nice road to bait the "vermin" away from the nice area. Then it became an investment property for some Australian guys. As for "will ALL benefit", how about we all vote on that before we pay?
Dusty Smith (Editor) May 24, 2012 at 06:07 pm
It is correct that the feds committed to the $900 million contribution when it was one project estimated at less than $2 billion. After engineering, those costs rose considerably (more than double) and the federal share shrunk in proportion to the total project cost (now about 16 percent, rather than 50 percent, according to county info).
Thad Hunter May 24, 2012 at 06:13 pm
Wahoowa: Racial scare tactics? Please elaborate because that usually means that someone has just run out of facts and reasons. I would like to see Kansas quality BBQ come to Loudoun though.
Victoria Glenn May 24, 2012 at 11:49 pm
@thad I don't know about "racial" but I have seen plenty of radical scare tactics used as argument against the rail. One was a post about how the doors could fly open..oh noes! Because you know cars are so much safer. And I cannot even count how many times I have read some foreboding post telling of how the rail will essentially create a cheap easy way for criminals to overrun the area. (usually followed ironically by someone else posting how the rail will be way too expensive to ride for the average person.) some pig even posted a news story about some poor woman being raped "near" a metro station (that was not open as it was 4 am) in a pathetic attempt to scare people. Because you know, crime only happens in close proximity to train tracks.
Kadey Mackenzie May 25, 2012 at 12:13 am
I agree with CC that the number of supporters on these articles is not at all indicative of the number of people that are in actual support of metro in Loudoun County. I wouldn't get too excited about the lack of voice from supporters...I have yet to talk to one person (in my community, mind you) that is against the metro coming here. Bring the metro to Loudoun County already!
Thad Hunter May 25, 2012 at 12:36 am
Victoria: I can see that connection with your explanation. Those type of scare tactics don't help the debate. My wife and I wrote a long and tough worded response to the BOS earlier this week, which folks here were kind enough to post. Maybe you could look it over and tell me what you think about our concerns?
http://ashburn.patch.com/articles/lte-opt-out-on-upcoming-metro-vote
Bob Bruhns May 25, 2012 at 04:25 am
wahoowa, are you even from Northern Virginia? Loudoun is not a city; it is a county.
And people are worried that someone like me, who lives less than three miles from the Loudoun County border... might... (gasp!) COMMENT on the huge mistake that this rail line is.
Bob Bruhns May 25, 2012 at 01:46 pm
Hmm, Greenway tolls. I'm not sure if anybody in Loudoun County ever noticed the Dulles Greenway tolls... but I sure did, when I got on it by mistake some years ago. Of course thanks to Dulles Rail, the Dulles Toll Road's tolls will go up even higher than that now - so I can have a similarly exhilirating experience if I need to take the Toll Road in the future. But I can avoid that, and still enjoy all of the cars running on the local roads to avoid that problem. And so can people in Loudoun County.
Oh, but Metro on the east side of the county means that you don't have to drive any more. You can just float over to a station, and ride to Centreville... oops, well to Leesburg... oops, well to Purcelville... oops. Well, you can get to Tysons, and DC, if that happens to be where you are going. Loudoun County was richer than Fairfax County, despite Fairfax County having 3 Metrorail lines on its east side for years, if you count the Orange line to Vienna, the Blue line to Springfield, and the Yellow line to Huntington. But now Loudoun County may get Metrorail on ITS east side, so I guess it can be less rich now, like Fairfax County.
CC Mojo May 25, 2012 at 01:50 pm
Bob, do you have a spreadsheet of responses you cut and paste from?
Bob Bruhns May 25, 2012 at 06:01 pm
Well, actually I am compiling one, CC. I added the documentation of the Metro stations over on the east side of Fairfax County (although actually the Vienna station is close to the -center- of Fairfax County). These are the five Metro stations that Fairfax County has had for years, and yet Loudoun County was still a richer county with NO Metro. You know, those stations.
And CC - do you really have any better reason to desire this overpriced rail line than that you just want to ride it all around? Wouldn't a BUS in a dedicated BUS lane do just as well now - and for many future years - if not better? Oh, and how will the train get people to jobs in those big buildings along Rt 66 and Rt 50? People will need BUS for that, or they will have to drive. Or they could float to them on magic carpets, I suppose. The situation is much like that of businesses along the western side of Loudoun County, who might want their employees and customers to get to them by rail. How to get them to and from the stations? BUS? And why not go all the way on bus, then? But these are inconvenient questions, so you will probably complain about them. Here, I'll put them into the spreadsheet.
CC Mojo May 25, 2012 at 06:35 pm
If you were really keeping up an accurate spreadsheet, Bob, you'd have listed under my name that I am not a land developer, I am a real person, despite someone trying to get Facebook to delete my account, and that I am a business owner living in Sterling. I am female, I have kids, I'm a vegetarian and I really like Snapple.
Anyway... As I recall, there was a discussion about the integration of the Silver Line and buses at the meeting last night. I'm not against buses, I don't think there will be enough benefit to a bus-only strategy, and those costs aren't really worth the ROI, and the impact on the environment AND traffic with buses only will only make things worse. Also, there were quite a few discussions last night, from what I understand, and you've got some pretty foul people on "your" side of all this. I'd be careful out there.
MIke May 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm
CC Mojo, this Loudoun resident does NOT want metro to Loudoun.
"Vote NO to Metro,"

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