One Loudoun Ballpark Panned at Town Hall

Concerns continue to come from residents living in nearby communities.

During County Chairman Scott K. York’s (R-At Large) town hall Tuesday, several residents raised concerns about the proposed stadium at One Loudoun.

Opinions about the move of the stadium from Kincora to One Loudoun – which requires land use changes now under expedited review – have been mixed, with recent letters for and against (here, here and here). But many doubters have criticized the move and wonder what impact it will have on their communities because of increased noise and traffic, among other things.

“My neighbors and I are big baseball fans, but this venue is wrong,” said Potomac Green resident John Gannon. “We’re not crazy about having it in our backyards, not to mention concerts and soccer.”

The stadium would be home to the Loudoun Hounds and an as-yet-unnamed North American Soccer League team. Both hope to begin playing in 2014. In addition, the applicants, Virginia Investment Partnership (VIP), hope to schedule concerts at the ballpark.

One speaker said home plate would be 2,500 feet from his front door.

“It causes me a great deal of concern,” he said.

York told those gathered, most of whom attended the town hall to discuss the investigation of Supervisor Eugene Delgaudio (R-Sterling), that the Loudoun Board of Supervisors would not necessarily approved all of the requested stadium uses.

Another residents questioned campaign contributions supervisors have received from individuals within VIP.

“It goes to the appearance of conflict,” he said.

When York explained that he was fully compliant with campaign finance law, which restricts elected from accepting donations from applicants within 12 months of a proposed project, another speaker who works with the federal government suggested a higher standard.

“Do you think technical compliance with the law is the threshold by which you want to be judged?” he asked.

The stadium cannot move forward unless supervisors sign off on a series of land use changes. Current construction at One Loudoun includes the Alamo Cinema Drafthouse, other commercial buildings and lots of new homes.

Paul November 24, 2012 at 10:25 PM
As an aside, we have a dreadfully boring county, and minor league sports would really help. Sure, it's nice for antiques and visiting wineries, but how much time can you spend on that? Plus, it's a hard sell to interest kids in those activities.
joe brewer November 24, 2012 at 10:52 PM
Nicely done Paul! I myself would be willing to pay a nickel a gallon pedestrian bridge fee at the gas pump. Not a tax mind you that would go to the MWAA in 2018/2019 as Ken Reid proposes.
SeasonedCitizen November 24, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Hi all, and I am one of the people behind the movement and I do happen to live in Potomac Green. You all really need to get educated on this deal, the permit is for a 10,000 person stadium with 5,500 infield seats. As far as traffic goes Kincora (the original location) was forced to go back and redo all of their traffic studies to account for the 10,000 people, the number turned out to be over 8,000 cars. Don't believe me, see for yourself. Everything that is available to the public is now posted on the www.NoStadiumOn7.org web site. The Planning Commission stated in the rezoning application (also available on the web site) that this thing is only going to "exacerbate existing traffic problems along Route 7". If you are for this you are just ignoring the facts.
SeasonedCitizen November 24, 2012 at 11:33 PM
And Bob T, you must have missed the recent three hour town hall meeting at PG with York and Williams with over 250 in attendance where not a single supporter (I counted maybe a dozen) got up to speak. York, Williams, Farren, and Mays got hammered over this deal.
joe brewer November 24, 2012 at 11:37 PM
the average attendance for this league is about 4400 per game hence the 3800 cars.
SeasonedCitizen November 24, 2012 at 11:54 PM
Yes Joe, that may be the average attendance for a game but that isn't everything they are planning. Their own web site says that by year three they will have up to 200 events and then lists them. Baseball is about one third of what the stadium will be used for. Farren has stated in public numerous times that he wants this thing to be a local Jiffy Lube Live, someone at the PG town hall meeting challenged him on that so he changed the concert venues from rock to "orchestras" to which he got even more flak. The traffic studies are the traffic studies, and the Planning Commission just said that this thing is only going to make traffic on Rout 7 worse.
SeasonedCitizen November 24, 2012 at 11:58 PM
Oh and Chuck, I was fine with the stadium over at Kincora where it had lots of restrictions placed on it, i.e., no fireworks from March 1 through the end of June and limited hours of operation. I hope I am not right but all of those restrictions will no longer apply at the new location because there is no bird colony at One Loudoun.
SeasonedCitizen November 25, 2012 at 12:24 AM
Since the number of cars and traffic keeps coming up I just did a little math to see what it would look like. If the worst case is 8,000 cars I gave them the benefit of the doubt and used half that. Assume that the average length of a car = 10 ft 4,000 cars parked bumper to bumper = 40,000 ft (7.57 miles) Traffic with cars 3.3 ft from each other = 53,200 ft (10 miles, didn't calculate an average speed, one of you math geniuses can do that) Using the traffic study’s own ratios 90% of all traffic will leave at the same time which doesn’t do a thing to bolster local business in One Loudoun. Let’s also assume that half of the traffic will be coming from East on 7 and the other half West on 7. Loudoun County Parkway overpass is all lights Westbound with an on-ramp on the East side. Highway 28 merges with Route 7 just before Loudoun County Parkway and the next two intersections Westbound are controlled by traffic lights. Traffic merging with 7 off of 28 frequently backs up well past the flyover and can last well past 6 PM (I drive this every day back and forth from work). So tell me again how this isn’t going to negatively impact traffic?
Jim November 25, 2012 at 02:53 AM
Funny how opponents of the stadium say they wouldn't mind it somewhere else, it's always a case of "NIMBY" (Not In My Backyard). I heard some of the comments from the opponents from the retirement community who kept insisting that they wanted to keep the peace and quiet that they thought they were getting when they moved in. A serious question here: Why would you buy/rent a place in LoCo, one of the fastest growing counties in America if you want peace and quiet?
Build AStaduim November 25, 2012 at 03:14 AM
You need to educate yourself on being ridiculous. This is a county decision not a potomac green decision. Stop over reacting and go play penuckle. I will see you at opening day! Play Ball!
SeasonedCitizen November 25, 2012 at 11:34 AM
Jim, you must not be reading all of the comments. If this was truly a NIMBY issue (nice label by the way) then opposition would have started several years ago when the announcement was made for Kincora, and you are more than welcome to volunteer your neighborhood to house the stadium. We purchased based on the zoning for One Loudoun (which went through bankruptcy since we moved here) and the surrounding area. Construction for One Loudoun has also been going on for years so we knew all about that as well and were looking forward to having a local RTC or Fairfax corner right here in Loudoun. Jim you and the rest of the supporters who have been fooled for years into believing there was actually a baseball team keep avoiding the questions being raised by casting labels and diminishing legitimate concerns. Try answering questions for once, it will make you look a lot smarter.
Bob Teeter November 25, 2012 at 06:15 PM
SeasonedCitizen, to quote Daniel Patrick Moynihan: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts." You are making things up on the go. Your traffic numbers and your feet of traffic are based on very little fact. Also your supposition that there will be no restrictions. Yes it is a new application but it doesn't mean reasonable restrictions - like say no concerts or fireworks after 11 pm aren't going to be put in place. Look up the definition of NIMBY (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nimby). If the shoe fits, wear it.
SeasonedCitizen November 26, 2012 at 12:27 AM
Bob do you mean facts like these? Buried on the third page from the very end of the Loudoun County Land Development Application Land Development package (Link: http://interwapp01.loudoun.gov/ditfs01/ZMAP/2012/0016/SUBMISSION%201%20PAPERWORK.PDF) for the stadium at One Loudoun under the title “Ashburn Village Boulevard/Route 7 Interchange” we find the following statement: “Plan policies seek to have road and transportation proffers be provided in the initial phases of new development. Any delays in providing the planned interchange could exacerbate existing traffic problems along Route 7.” Furthermore, on page 92 under “4. Transportation Issues Discussed”, it requests that the Ashburn Boulevard interchange “be approved ASAP”, and that the project is “failing” and to “encourage moving forward with other landowners”, and on page 91 it states that One Loudoun is not in a financial position to pay for the interchange due to the current “economic situation”.
SeasonedCitizen November 26, 2012 at 12:28 AM
Or like these? "Kincora had proposed to build a baseball stadium with 5,500 seats. As mentioned in the Traffic Impact Analysis (TIA) completed by Gorove/Slade Associates, Inc. and dated October 23, 2008, the capacity of the baseball stadium for special events will be about 10,500 seats. The difference between the two numbers of seats has almost doubled. The TIA does not consider the trip generation for 10,500 seats in the analysis. Therefore, the trip generation should be recalculated to address the worst-case scenario. Furthermore, the methodology for trip generation needs explanation. Further discussion is necessary. OTS is available to meet on this issue. The applicant’s traffic consultant stated that the trip generation based on 10,500 seats is 8,333 vehicle trips."
SeasonedCitizen November 26, 2012 at 12:36 AM
And Bob if you are only one of two Robert Teeters listed in the state of VA you live in either Alexandria or in Roanoke. If you are in Alexandria might I suggest you save wear and tear on your car and go see a Potomac Nationals game instead, they are much closer. And as far as the NIMBY label I have already stated we already knew about the stadium at its original location in Kincora when we purchased our home. If we were just a bunch of NIMBYs then we would have started this fight when the stadium was announced at Kincora years ago.
Dylan M. November 26, 2012 at 03:29 PM
You have a tremendously creepy amount of resources Seasoned. Much more than my 77 year old grandfather who lives in an ‘active adult’ community. Seems like you have a lot of monied interests digging in a lot of places - perhaps you aren’t a NIMBY but rather a front for something/someone else.
SeasonedCitizen November 26, 2012 at 04:15 PM
All available online Dylan and from public records. When you are faced with something like this it is always a good idea to gather all of the facts to make sure you have a solid foundation from which to make a good argument for or against. You are more than welcome to spend the same amount of time doing research. And all attempts to label me and my neighbors who just want this thing to either go back to Kincora or a more appropriate location (like down where the Metro will go in) in Loudoun make your argument look weak. Unlike the BOS who have taken over $69,000 from Farren and his associates what do you propose would be anyone's financial gain from all of this other than trying to protect our property values?
SeasonedCitizen November 26, 2012 at 04:17 PM
Almost forgot Dylan, you should never tick off retired people, they have all day to work on something like this :-)
Daniel Davies November 26, 2012 at 04:18 PM
One Loudoun proffered the interchange at Rt. 7 / Ashburn Villiage Blvd and has been dragging their feet on building it. They want their stadium expedited, but delay fulfilling their obligations. No stadium until we get the interchange.
mom of 4 November 26, 2012 at 04:27 PM
I live in Leesburg, so this isn't a NIMBY issue for me, rather a traffic one. Travelling on Rt. 7 in rush hour traffic between Rt. 28 and Belmont Ridge Road is already a nightmare. I can't imagine what it would be like adding (at a very minimum) 2000 cars. One Loudoun is smack in the middle of this part of Rt. 7 and at it's most congested point. From a traffic point of view, this is a very dumb idea and affects waaaay more people in Loudoun than just the communities surrounding it. I do not support a stadium built there.
Daniel Davies November 26, 2012 at 04:29 PM
How about the people who are for OneLoudoun/Hounds/Stadium? They are the same people that were for the Silver Line. Dwight Schar, (home builder at One Loudoun, family building Reston Station and Loudoun Station), David D'Onofrio doing their PR, Scott York providing the political push to ram it through.... We need elected officials who look out for the taxpayers, not the special interests who give donations in exchange for "expediting" things that are bad for our county.
Paul November 26, 2012 at 05:06 PM
mom of 4, one loudoun is already adding 1000 homes, and millions of square feet of retail and commercial space. They are already adding much more than 2000 cars. Stonewalling the stadium will do nothing to change the traffic problem, which is bad and getting worse every day. We can't fix traffic by complaining that people want to live in loudoun county and other people want to build businesses that will serve the people who already live here and the ones who will move in over time. The way to fix traffic is to have the state improve the country highway that still has significant portions unchanged since the 1980s, when this was very lightly used rural land. Trying to block development hasn't worked yet, it has only encouraged poor land use with inadequate support. If you block the stadium, one loudoun will just build the massive retail use of the same space that was in the original plan. I'm sure that will be much better for you. Your kids will love another big box retail store you can take them to on weekends to buy sweaters and home electronics.
Bob Teeter November 26, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Just read this - I have to agree with Dylan - creepy and odd. I believe I am allowed to support any team or attend any event I choose to or are you telling me "I'm not welcomed"? Nice, very nice.
SeasonedCitizen November 26, 2012 at 08:38 PM
Paul, as we keep trying to pint out stadium traffic isn't the same as retail traffic. Their own studies have 90% of the vehicles leaving immediately after an event and almost all of them showing up within an hour window before an event. Stadium traffic will also hit at the worst possible time on weekdays during rush hour. As Mom of 4 pointed out the 28/7 interchange is already a mess. Also consider all of the unsold/leased Class A space in Loudoun and the fact that we are a commuter county no matter how hard they try to bring corporate HQs here. Tysons & Reston are full of big name companies for a reason. They are closer to DC and the Metro will actually be completed during our lifetime. Unfortunately other than Orbital off of 28 and Raytheon in the old AOL campus I don't see much in the way of corporate action out here. Perhaps that is why Ashburn is the data center capitol of the world now with 3 million sq ft of space.
SeasonedCitizen November 26, 2012 at 08:45 PM
Absolutely Bob, last time I checked we were all free to support any cause, candidate, or team we wanted to and I have never said anything to the contrary. If by "creepy" and "odd" you mean that doing open source research using Al Gore's amazing Internet and requesting data from county agencies then I wonder what you and Dylan consider normal. Odd and creepy makes me think of clown camps.
Erin November 27, 2012 at 01:40 AM
My hometown in Michigan opened a professional baseball stadium in 2006 that is the same size (~5400) and it has been a great community builder, job and revenue generator, and a lot of fun ever since. We never miss a chance to see a game. When done well, a stadium like this can be a wonderful addition; we just need to ensure that the infrastructure is in place to support it. For a great example check out the Great Lakes Loons.
Lee_S_Burger November 27, 2012 at 12:41 PM
I support the stadium I think it will be good for Loudoun. I agree it will add to the traffic on Rt. 7 but Loudoun needs to have an entertainment venue other than a megaplex movie theater. I used to live in Norfolk and I really enjoyed going to Harbor Park to see the Tides play. Yes it tied up downtown traffic on game nights but only for a short period of time but it was worth it. Bring on the Hounds!
Paul November 27, 2012 at 03:18 PM
Another great thing about retirement, Seasoned Citizen, is that you have the freedom to avoid rt7 during rush hour. If traffic bothers you, seriously, you shouldn't be on rt7 during those peak traffic times, it is bad, and we all know that it will get worse, because there's no way that the state will pay to keep up with the demand. It's not a matter of making a good situation bad, or a not very good situation aweful, just a bad situation to a somewhat more bad situation. in exchange, we get a baseball team, maybe a soccer team, concerts, and other good uses of a small stadium. That's a win. yes, we have a lot of unused office space. I don't understand why. Yes, tysons is right up the road. I work here in loudoun county, and if I were to get a job offer in tysons, my response would be "my salary requirement is $50,000 higher to consider a position in tysons, due to commute issues." I don't want to work there, I don't want to go there. If someone were to offer me $100 to drive to tysons corner mall during rush hour, I wouldn't go. Yes, it's that bad. Last time I had a reason to go there I spent 30 minutes on the off-ramp from the toll road to rt7, and it took me well over an hour to get from the toll road to the mall. Any employer who chooses to locate in that mess is making a terrible decision, and if they are going to make that mistake, I don't want to be part of their other mistakes. $200, still probably not enough to drive into tysons. $250 is where I consider it.
Novamomto3 November 28, 2012 at 03:59 AM
I'm in total agreement with Seasoned Citizen. I'm not against the stadium, but want it to remain in the Kincora location that had a lengthy approval process in place and is building the necessary infrastructure around it to accommodate traffic needs. This appears all too rushed and as such appears to be rather distasteful. Ashbrook Home Owners Association is siding with Potomac Green on this one and protesting this rezoning application.
joe brewer November 28, 2012 at 09:08 PM
Lets hurry up and push HS-6 through also. 200 events on what nice sunny days are you talking about? Going to be a lot of rain outs.


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